North Country Race Talk

Everyone at the track is concerned about safety, all the vehicles get checked for safety, we all have to wear the right safety equipment, the safety crews make a speedy approach out on to the track to make sure everyone is safe. Why is it that when a fool puts 200 plus people in danger by not following the rules he does not get penalized for it? someone could have been seriously injured by his action. did the track now make it look like it was alright to put everyone in the pits in danger? every drivers meeting there is always something said about speeding in the pits and going in the wrong pit entrance, the last i knew if someone went in the wrong entrance they were going to be penalized. let alone going the wrong way down pit road. not only go the wrong way but be wreckless about it in the process.

I have to admit in the same race i did go in the wrong pit entrance it was the closest avaible but i stayed under 5 mph and went the correct way to my pits making sure that no one was coming and watching for people. stoping for cars going by and that. so i was in the wrong by going in the wrong entrance but i was not wreckless about it.

people are always watching for cars coming from the direction they go on the track when some idiot goes backwards on pit road it puts everyone in danger that purchased a pit pass. if Greg Roes can get away with what ever he wants to do, Why cant we all?

I vote that he gets the win taken away from him because he should have been penalized either for a lap or he should have been parked no questions asked. he wasnt even warned

It is so obvious that there is special treatment for some. It is so obvious to those of us in the stands that there is 1 driver in the mens lite trucks that can get away with anything as long as he whines enough. His arrogance is going to get someone hurt. Wrecklessly going the wrong way into the pits should have been a DQ. He should have not been allowed back on the track. I know that if AIS doesn't start treating everyone fairly they are going to start losing drivers and fans. I have supported the track every weekend for the past 3 years and have even gotten others to attend. Wake up and make things right before its too late!!!!!!

A stiff penalty has been assesed After Greg is notified I am sure Jared will post it just as Billy Gibson did with the 77 truck a year or so ago.

Everyone please keep in mind this decision will set a presidence for all future problems of this nature.

I have met Greg on several occasions and he really is no idiot. He is a very nice person and in the heat of a spinout he made the wrong decision. He has agreed to whatever the penalty that is assesed.

Dan, not only you, but others use the additional accesses to their pit area. Ben came in the entrance twice by our trailer. Both times the car had quit running and he coasted off the track rather than stop the race by trying to get to pit road. the four cylinder cars all seem to use the nearest exit, not sure why, but if you allow this simply because they are close to this exit then why not let all the cars or trucks that park near an exit use it? Confusing huh?

I am not a race driver but it is confusing to me also. It seems like they make rules and then only stick to them with certain divisions. It really gets to me (being a fan of the Mens Light Trucks) when the Mens Light Trucks are not lined up correctly under a caution and they still seem to throw the green flag even if half of the feild is way back on the back stretch. In the Late Models if they are not double file, in the correct line-up, or closely together they keep the yellow out or even stop the pace car and re-line the cars up. If they are going to do it in that division then they need to do that in all. I have seen a lot of guys loose races because of this.

They need to put a suggestion box outside somewhere so that they fans have a chance to voice there opionion and maybe they will have more fans!

yeah, sure, he will a get a penalty. Ha! Presidence? HaHa! The other 3 posts can see exactly what is going on out there!

At the drivers meeting Sunday it was stated which pit entrance to use to leave and enter the pits. Any questions? There was only one place for everyone to leave and enter the pits. However, the 4 cylinders could enter in the back pit straight to our pit stalls....Period no excuses. If you are going to make an exception for fluid leaks etc. then say so like the 4 cylinder exemption. I'm tired of hearing "we are going to put you in the back or we are going to ...... for whatever reason and hey after 3 restarts no one is going to the back. By the way how many people realize the pace car goes up the back pit backwards? Couldn't that be considered a bit risky? People were caught drinking again in the pits and nothing happened to them but "don't do it again or else. Come on put some people in their place and maybe word gets out it isn't about one or two people and you get some cars and trucks back but they think why bother it's the same ole same ole at AIS. You blew the line ups too.

Did not see what started all of this thread by the way. I'm too busy in the pits to pay attention to every class and vehicle.

Thanks randy. i just wanted to make sure this was addressed because i would hate to see any of the fellow racers or pit crew members get injured from something that should be a rule that is inforced to the max. sure stuff is going to happen but if a stiff penalty is inforced people will think twice before making a bad decision that could cause harm to anyone in the pits.

I believe the 4 cyl exception for us using the back entrance is also due to safety considerations. The more cars we have driving around pit road increases the RISK of having an avoidable incident. Allowing the 4 cyl to use the back pit entrance reduces the amount of traffic on pit road, and is safer than allowing the pace car to drive the wrong way around pit road to retake his spot by the pit exit.

The exception would be if someone is leaking oil or fluid onto the track, or can't safely make it back to their pit stall. Most of the time, a driver doesn't know he (or she) is leaking fluid anyway, so now you have a fluid leak all the way around the track AND pit raod. That's where 2 ways would be a handy item, or the tower could tell that driver to pull to the bottom of the track, in the grass is possible, and stop because of a fluid leak.

Just my 2 cents worth...

I have been reading all the comments regarding the actions of the 22 truck.

Officials have told everyone which pit entrances are to be used and most of us would agree that the pits are to be traveled in one direction, the same as the track, but I understand some circumstances why the driver would choose to use another entrance.

In the 22 trucks defense he had stopped at the end of the pit entrance on turn 1 with a flat after being involved in a racing situation. I see no reason not to be able to come in that pit entrance, but I do believe that the driver of the 22 truck should have traveled in the appropriate direction to get to his pit.

With that said, pit rules do not state which way you are required to travel, only the speed limit of 15 mph maximum. I was unable to find anything in the rules that state you must travel in a set direction and you are required to enter a certain pit entrance. I know that the officials have stated that drivers will use a certain pit entrance, but that is not reflected in the Official Rules. Officials you know you are going to make a change, do it in the Official Rules first. There will be times when changes are made at the track for different situations, written rules should be ammended at the end of the race to reflect this change. If you can't read it in the Official Rules what do you have to stand on?

Adirondack International should be held accountable for any changes to the rules made verbally and not entered into the Official Rules, face it you can't have two sets of rules. Verbal and Written it doesn't work.
We are told to abide by the rules, now it is your turn.

Ok I have been coming to the track evry year since it opened. I agree greg did not pit correctly but you want to talk about safety what about the 51 truck hitting just about every truck on the field. They are not all racing mishaps or he is just a bad driver. He has been there long enough to know better. Also he has a fast truck he does not need to drive like that, race clean its a better show.

In response to Carhauler. If you have been at the track since it opened then you obviously only see what you want to see just like the rest of management and officials. I am a sponsor of the 51 truck and know for a fact that he likes to race clean, but is tired of getting slammed around on the track. It all goes back to fairness. In last nights race Greg Roes was involved in every single incident in 2 divisions, but I suppose that was the other drivers and not his aggressive driving tactics.

carhauler,i could not have said it any better.i feel better that i was not the only one who can still see good,

carhauler wrote:Ok I have been coming to the track evry year since it opened. I agree greg did not pit correctly but you want to talk about safety what about the 51 truck hitting just about every truck on the field. They are not all racing mishaps or he is just a bad driver. He has been there long enough to know better. Also he has a fast truck he does not need to drive like that, race clean its a better show.

rubbing is racing. it would get really boring if we all raced single file 3 feet apart wouldnt it?