North Country Race Talk

Scott,

I was wondering if we could expect to see at least some of the rule updates posted by, lets say Dec 1st?

General Rules Section 2-9. STOCK - When used in this rulebook, the term "stock" excludes all after market products. Stock components must conform to OEM specification and original make and model.

I think we should drop the "and model" off the end of this rule. I think its a grey area thats really hard to tech. There may have been a part avalible for one GM metric car, like a Monte Carlo, but not another like my buick regal chassis, that would make that part illegal on my car, but how can rob or anyone else look at a frame and determine the model? This would make certain parts legal and provide more avaliblity, not just in the SS class but anywhere in the rules that "stock" is used.

Whats everyone think? I think this might be a good way to get things rolling, one section at a time.

All that I ask that is the track listen and have input from the drivers when deciding on these new rules.


I guess I am speaking for the sport compacts, (the rest of you guys are pretty good at letting the track know what you would like.....)

As far as our class, how about a sit down somewhere in the near future, where we can all voice opinions and decide what is best for both the drivers currently running, the tech comittie, and for possible newcomers into the class. There has to be a happy medium between all three. Without input from all parties this most likely will not happen. Please remember that in order to have effective rules, you must listen to the current drivers, as this is the group of people that support your track and put the show on for you. I just have this worry that the rules will "pop" up on the website, without ever having a true dialogue between the tech committie and the drivers. Having a discussion beforehand will solve many of the problems that will arise after they are published.

Secondly, as stated before, there has to be a "drop dead" date for publishing these rules. Dec. 1st sounds fair. It gives time for review, and also time to change cars, and "build" to the rules for the drivers. Again, without a set deadline things have a tendency to be put off later and later, then it becomes a mad dash around March to try to get ready.

Let's set next year off in the right direction. An open discussion between the track and drivers, as well as publishing a date for the rules to be finalized. I believe these two things alone would go a long, long way in proving that the track is ready to turns things around and have a better racing season for next year.

How about it?

$200 FOR 10TH PLACE , THAT SURE BEATS THE $115.00 I GOT FOR SECOND

Ben,

I think the problem lies in the word’s use in our class rules. Looking at our SS rules, "Stock" seems to be used very loosely. I'd say let that definition stand, but use it more concisely in the class rules.

I also think the team should have to declare the make, model, and year of the chassis at the first tech of the season. It is then the team’s responsibility to provide documentation if any parts that are required to be OEM stock are questioned.

You're right let’s get this ball rolling. I’ve started a new thread, nothing like the present.
Steve Burton, AIS SS #10

well actually it was $175 because they kept $25 for the transponder rental.

I for one love Kyles idea of the transponders !! maybe if we would have had them this year I would have a win in the books right now ?
I also agree with the tear down of over competative cars.
There are a couple items I feel are not allowed now but should be:
1. aftermarket intakes, specified as we did last winter
2. somewhat of a lighter wieght flywheel ? im guessing not many are running stock ! the class is (super stock) not true stock anymore.

Steve,
the stock for make and model thing: I think I am the only one that has all stock body and chassis ? most are aftermaket bodies and suspension ? I believe the rulebook states items must be stock for make and model, that is where model needs to be removed. I think that might be what Ben is refering too ?

I really like the transponder idea, too.

Steve Burton, AIS SS #10

kyleweaver87 wrote:{snip} it also wouldent hurt to raise the payout (i know, my head is in the clouds) but my dad made paul furious when he told him that SL2 payed us $200 for a 10th place finish and they want to keep the rules open there for next year and all we had to do is weigh 3250 to run our ss against their street stocks. i am probably not going to run at ais next year but i hate to see such a great track lose its fans and competitors like it has. i hope my suggestions will help out. if they do. i might just show up a few times.

So what made Paul furious? The $200 or the fact that they actually paid you... LOL!

Hey guys, I think that it is great that everyone is already enthusiastic about next season and trying to get things sorted out. Not trying to be negative here, just the facts. WE ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE!! Nothing against rob whatsoever because I truly believe he wants things to be done properly, but no matter what we say or do, everyone knows exactly how things are going to roll. It has been like that year after year after year after year after year. As long as the big cheese is still in charge IT WILL NOT CHANGE, REPEAT WILL NOT CHANGE, PERIOD!! I enjoy racing with all of you, that is the only thing that keeps me going to that mismanaged circus every week. I would like to see you guys take your positive energy and enthusiasm and get something accomplished for yourself rather than dragging a dead dog around on a leash. Sorry if I have offended anyone, these are not my personal feelings, they are just plain proven facts. P.S. the tear down deal is b.s., unless it is accompanied by a $500.00 dollar bill for parts and time for re-assembly. A proper P&G test and visual inspection by an educated technical inspector would eliminate the need for that nonsense anyway.

after reading Tommy's post I kinda agree with the protest. It would be nice to weed out the illegal stuff but it would also be a big expense to be completely torn down.

Thats kinda why I like the added weight rule. The problem with it is that Rob would have to keep track of different weights for different cars. As long as we as a group can agree on something I dont care what we do. A rule of this nature will only take effect a few times or less (less I hope) a year.

Poor Tommy, my condolences on all your dead animals. But what a guy, he loves his dead dog so much he still taking it for walks on a leash! (LOL, LOL, LOL)

In all seriousness guys, there’s no way I can sugar coat the existing situation at AIS. Now you’re all very clever too, but I’m surprised no one has caught on to my motive. We all like racing and it’s even better because of the great group of folks we race with. The only thing I’m sure of is - The uncertainty that Paul will even have the track open next year.

We need an option if the unthinkable happens. So…..if you look at the rules I’m proposing, it gives us options. Pick up the Can Am DIRTcar Street Stock rules and the Utica-Rome Pro Stock rules…..look extraordinarily similar don’t they. Catching on yet!!! If we get the powers that be to accept these rules, we can all merrily build our cars this winter and if AIS closes, we’ll still have places to race next year without having to rebuild our cars. Sure, remove our windshields, change to dirt tires, and shift weight around, but all easy stuff! Take your pick – Can Am, Thunder Alley, Utica-Rome, Fonda, Black Rock, etc. (Don’t know about Shangri-La II yet.) If there isn’t an asphalt track, I’d rather race on dirt than stay home and do nothing. Now if AIS get its act together, the rules are similar enough that some of those dirt cars can visit AIS. Win-Win situation……better than Dead-Dead.

So my suggestion is instead of dragging anything dead around, we put our energy into a set of rules that puts us in the driver’s seat, not bogged down in the uncertainty of the future! You all don’t realize the power you have as an organized group.

There’s no reason why we can’t pound these rules out and have them resolved by the time of the Parts Peddler show. I for one sure would like to have them in place by then so I have a direction before the show. It’s up to you guys.

Steve Burton, AIS SS #10

Or we can work on getting the dirt off the track at the mills!!!! and by the way , the different weights didnt work out too well at oswego when we raced there and that place was a ton more organized than AIS so it wont work here for sure...just my humble opinion

steve,been reading everyones post and have some questions,overly competitive drivers,could you define.if a driver wins 3 times does it mean he has is car set up or is he cheating.it can cost a lot to put a motor back together.adding weight to a car that win alot is he being punished for being good,do not know if that is right .kept it going everthing will come together.