North Country Race Talk

Are light trucks going to start running in the sport compact class because of the higher payout or what? Rules state 4 cyl coupe or sedan. I wasn't trying to be competitive last night on 3 year old tires, and our class needs more cars to put on a better show. Tim Ingersoll has 3 stock VW's in his shop to add to our class, but can't get any help to finish them, other than the #20 car that I am helping him with. Tim has found a few people want to drive race cars but they don't want to help build them. The #48 and #39 cars are almost done, and it wouldn't take much work to finish them.

The 2 times I was on the outside of the light truck in our class, he drove up into my groove and forced me farther up the track. So, to the driver and his dad if you are reading this post, learn how to hold a line when you are side by side with another car. Finishing last doesn't matter to me, but finishing with a wrecked race car because of carelessness or lack of respect for other drivers will create problems between me and the driver. Race in our class with respect for the other drivers or go race with the light trucks who are know for agressive driving and wrecking each other. My opinion is that the light trucks have their own set of rules and the sport compacts (coupes and sedeans) have their set of rules. Build a car or truck to run within that set of rules, and that class, and go racing.

Okay light trucks, how many light trucks are going to race with the sport compacts for the higher payout. Maybe I don't need to bring my stock SC back if it becomes a second light truck class.

On another note, when is the track going to post the payouts on the website, or am I not looking in the right spot? How long will it take to post the results, and what part of the web site will they be posted in since we don't have a "results" link? Brad does a great job with the web site, but you have to give him the information before he can post it.

It was a great night of racing, and we had a decent crowd on hand. Congrats to the winners and we'll see you next weekend.

HEY TODD---------WHY DONT YOU GIVE THE 15 YEAR OLD KID SOME CREDIT FOR RACING IN A CLASS THAT THERE WAS NO WAY OF HIM WINNING------------WE WERE ASKED TO RACE IN THAT CLASS----------MY SON PROBLY HAS MORE LAPS UNDER HIS BELT THAN YOU WILL EVER HAVE------------ HE STARTED RACING AT 5 YEARS OLD AND WAS TOUGHT TO RUN A LINE---------YOU SHOW ME WHERE HE CHANGED HIS LINE ONE TIME---------MY DRIVER WILL ONLY CHANGE HIS LINE FOR A PASS----------CRY BABBIES LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON THAT PEOPLE DONT WANT TO RACE IN YOUR CLASS-----------AND FOR THE PAY OFF MONEY WE DONT NEED THE MONEY----------ARE TRUCK IS STOCK AND WILL AND HAS PASSED TECH IN BOTH CLASSES------WE WILL RUN IN --------------- your --------class untill we do what we are trying to do--------hey todd if you didnt just shoot off at the mouth and knew the rules you would know that trucks can run with the cars------------hey todd-- would you have the balls to try it-------------he did----------------let me tell you me and my son taked long and hard about this--------we started out racing not even quilfing to winning a championship ---------and after being a champ --- taking this step backwards is hard ----------my son is a clean driver and will stay that way---------hey todd -------a great feeling is when your son is 12 years old and is asked to drive dirt at fulton ------because the car owner thought that he was older because of how well he handles him self on and off the track--------o-ya and never ever driving dirt-----he was running 5 place-----when he blew a tire-------pulled in to the infeild for the respect of the other driver and not pulling the yellow--------so put that in your pipe and smoke it---------sorry for the spelling--iam pissed

Race talk, you're pissed? You've bashed our track more this year than just about anyone out there. Look back at your posts and replies you've made on this forum. You're son did a good job, I'll give him that. But it takes more balls to drive in the truck class with 15 or 20 other trucks than it does to drive against 4 "competitive" cars. That was my first race ever, so does that mean I have balls, too? As far as the payout is concerned, that's how I'm going to be able to buy 4 good tires that I can run on and "try" to be more competitive. The #1 car is the only original car left on the track from 2002, back when it was a more stock class than it has turned into now. Yep, your son has more laps than I do. Last night was my first race, and I did the smart "respectful" thing and stayed high so that I wasn't in anyone's way. I don't own the #1 car, and I don't want it to get tore up.

I'm not going to sit here and be an "arm chair rambo" and talk smack to you in a forum. We can talk at the track. Our coversation will stay peaceful and professional unless YOU raise the intensity. I have nothing to prove to anyone out on the track. I am racing for fun, that's all.

It takes a guy like you to start name calling on a forum. What does that prove? It proves to me that you are a gutless arm chair rambo. If you want to be that way towards me, then do yourself a favor and keep your distance. By the looks of things your 15 year old son is more mature than you. He's not out there running his mouth like you do. I didn't single out anyone when I started this post. I didn't verbally attack anyone in particular like you did to me with your BS response.

If your son is out there to get some seat time on asphalt, great. Those 4 cylinder guys are some of the most professional and respectful racers out there. They race each other pretty hard and real clean, and when the 11 and 67 got together, that doesn't happen very often in "our" class. The SC class is known for few cautions and clean racing. Part of that is because of the low car count and part of it because of the driver's attitude and respect for one another.

I don't have a problem with your son. But keep running your mouth and I'll have a big problem with you. I've been a photographer at that track since 2007, and everyone who knows me knows that I can get along with everyone. As far as I'm concerned we can end this now. If you want to turn this into a knock down drag out fight, fine. That's what I do for a living!

so you're telling me that truck that ran with you was not a super truck .... let me know cause i have a truck that can run with you guys if i had your tire's

todd paul said that super truck was going to run in the sport compact class your guys payout better then the truck's

Hey Chuck, did any part of you get hurt last night, other than your feelings? I hated to see you hit the wall like that.

The payout might draw a lot more trucks to the SC class. I believe the truck had our hoosier tires on it, but mine are the old tires from 2007 or even 2006. I was told it was a super truck, but race talk said it was stock. I don't know. I'm racing for fun in a car that is faster than I am willing to push it on old tires. The payout might not be a big deal for race talk but it's going to eventually buy my set of new tires so I can run a lot harder.

Hope to see you back next week, Chuck. I heard you tell someone that you have another SS at home.

Todd,
Paul asked me to create a set of rules for "Sport Trucks" at the end of last season. The current rules are the same as the cars with other adjustments to be made as we learn what works. Rear wheel drive Sport Compact chassis are often rare (Mazda Rx-7, Toyota AE86, Ford Pinto) or expensive to make competitive (Ford Mustang = Esslinger & chassis-mods). The Light Truck chassis are common and inexpensive. For the future we MIGHT see "mini-Super Stocks" built off of truck frames with various body styles.

The #44 planned to run in the class for a long time and the freedom to "play" with everything from suspension to engine was one of the biggest reasons. I had hoped more would take up Paul's invitation last fall. Certainly 2.5 Rangers or 22R Toyotas would be popular and easy to get going. Trucks that could be very fast - 13B Mazda, 4ZE1 Isuzu**, SR20DE Nissan, KA24E Nissan**, or a 4G63 Mitsubishi/Dodge**. (** each of these would be lighter than their popular Sport Compact engine donor chassis)


Eric,
Please consider that your son's future car owners and sponsors will have access to EVERY COMMENT (see http://www.archive.org) the two of you have ever made on the internet. They might judge him based upon your responses. (People believe in the phrase - "Like father, like son".)


Chuck,
Throw on some Hoosier 790's and bring out the truck! You will have more fun and turn faster laps than your SS for less money.

Fiziks,

Thanks for clearing that up and answering my question. I would love to see our class grow. No one wants to run a mostly stock SC in our class because they want to race for wins. It's too expensive for most people to race for wins in our class. It took Scott in the #67 car 4 or 5 years in our class before he finally won his first race. Like I said before, I'll drive the car harder with new tires. I know the car is faster and more capable that what I as driving it last night. But at least it is still in one peice and I can drive it again next week if we don't have the #20 car running by then.

Todd,
As you and Tim know, the new tires will make a huge difference both in lap times and longevity when you make the suspension adjustments for these tires.

John, Tim is convinced that the transmission in the #1 car will not work with the new tires. I think he has the tranny he wants to put in the car, so that's not a problem. Right now it's geared to run in 3rd gear on the old tires, so with the new tires it might not have the acceleration it needs without changing the tranny. I have confidence in Tim's opinion on the tranny/tire combination. We'll see what happens next for that car. It was a real handfull last night because it really wanted to slide up the track. I didn't want to slide up into someone as they were lapping me so I decided to run the top groove and stay out of the way. I had a lot of fun, though and I look forward to June 6th. I hope it wasn't too obvious that it was my first race ever

hey chuckiebubbles--------i have a set of used hoosiers with one race on them--------for sale---------let me make another point maybe if the ais. web site had posted the super truck class last fall maybe people would have built them----------they dont even have any rules at all for them-------we ran our truck stock other than the tires-------so that we could start to build from there--------to see what would work or not work on trucks-------we found out 6 weeks ago about the super truck thing--------i have an awsome fab shop and would of had a great time helping to build a new class----using alot of afordable off the shelf parts------i called my motor guy and told him to put our motor idea on hold------and the chassis i picked up ill keep for spare parts----------my son wanted to race with the trucks----he is not afraid off all the other trucks and how many there are----------he really dosent want to race in your dying class-------and back to payout-------we never got paid tow money from 2 years ago when i was called to bring our truck to the mall show and was told they would pay me tow money------------good luck

What was the winner running for tires?

I was using the same set of Hoosier 790's Terry bought and ran on the car last season for all the races he started and all of the testing we did, testing amounted to over 100 laps. For this reason alone I think the truck class should be forewarned that they SHOULD be going to this tire also and purchase your tires for the rest of the season accordingly. This is what I think don't start a rumor the track is doing it. But you really should think about it. My tire temps never were over 130 F on any tire and I can only imagine the number of heat cycles they have on them. I was told I was turning 18.5 also. Don't need much more evidence if you ask me. They just plane hold up. Tim Dunn bought some tires just for the feature and I gotta believe Scott and Nate started with pretty new 2009 tires. Maybe they will share with us. Older tire or new tire, doesn't matter any more. Trucks should switch. I don't care what is on the track with me, if you can mantain a safe speed, who cares what it is. PASS IT!
Tim Ingersoll

i am using 15 inch wheels do they make those tires for 15 wheels

todd no my pride more then any i will be back next sat. thank you for asking i am fine the car needs some tlc... but i will be there

racetalk i would love to help you with this super truck i have a bunch of ideals... i need some 15 inch -hoosiers what are they 790's just let me know...


SEE YOU ALL NEXT SAT......

I wasn't aware of the super truck idea. I was asking because I didn't know the difference between the light trucks and the super truck, which I heard for the first time last night.

Chuck,

The 790s come in the following sizes:
Tire Size Rollout
23.0/7.0-13 72.2
23.0/7.0-14 72.2
24.0/7.0-14 75.0
26.5/7.0-15 83.0
27.0/7.0-15 85.0
27.5/7.0-15 86.0


We only stock the 13's and 14's at the track. Hoosier makes tons of the 15-inch 790 tires though.


Todd and anyone else reading this,
Please don't bring up the 8-cylinder SS on this thread. Its already broken up every other Sport Truck discussion held on this BB which is why people don't remember the original Sport Truck information given over the Fall and Winter. Thank you.